have you seen the video of the seagull that sneaks in every afternoon to a store and grabs a bag or chips?
He does it every day and when you watch the difference between how the bird calmly walks in the store before he grabs the chips and how he quickly escapes... http://albanysinsanity.wnymedia.net/blogs/2007/09/24/seagull-stealing-chips- a-little-humor/ seems like there is some other level operating here... > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Peter Corteen > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:09 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] Fishing > > > Hi SA, > > > Does this me not seeing a cougar throw a wrench into what you were > > onto? > > No. It invalidates somewhat, but I, too, have seen animals > hesitate, obviously considering what is the right thing for > them to do. > > I'm interested in the question of whether non-human beings > can act from the intellectual level. Bo says the intellectual > level is characterised by SOM activity which we would > normally assume to be exclusive to humans but I think we do > the other animals an injustice. > > Regards > > -Peter > > On 16/11/2007, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > [Peter] > > > after your poem about the hesitating cougar I > > > referred to him in other > > > threads recently to see what could be inferred from > > > such behaviour; but > > > then, in another thread, I noticed you said cougar > > > is like a nickname for > > > you. > > > Did you really see the cougar hesitating to jump? > > > > > > Only on television. Cougar's are not fond of > > water. I believe all cats are not fond of water, > > except for the jaguar. Jaguars will swim in water for > > play. Cougar's will hesitate for kills, too. Cats > > are this way. As cats mature they become more precise > > and timely, waiting for what, for them, would be the > > right moment. > > Hmmmm, this has me thinking. Hesitation is also patience. > > Waiting for the right moment which would depend on timing and > > precision. > > I've only seen two cougars in my life while I've > > been walking in the woods. Once at a place called > > Ohiopyle (Ron and Arlo may know of the place). Second > > time was in Elk County while I was walking where elk > > live (which east of the Mississippi River, I believe > > this is one of two places where elk exist. Both > > times, the cougars were walking up hill passed me > perpendicular. The > > Ohiopyle one was to my back (I sense a presence to my back), and I > > turned and saw the cougar. An ex-girlfriend of mine picked > up rocks > > and tried to throw them at the cougar. I stopped her and > > said, "The cougar is leaving us in peace, let us leave > > the cougar in peace." The second cougar was further > > away (the first was less than 15 yards away), and a > > friend and I were fishing. I walked up over an > > embankment and saw the cougar walking up the hill near > > a bunch of boulders. I was stunned and tried to get > > my friend to come up quickly and see the cougar, but > > by the time he made it up the embankment, we turned > > our heads and the cougar was gone. > > Sorry if you thought I saw a cougar hesitate. > > When I see hesitation, what I'm seeing is the cougar > > (on TV) get a paw wet, and shake the paw, trying to > > wait for a moment to jump, then eventually, after > > standing for some time, the cougar jumps. Also, I've > > seen (on TV) cougars hiding waiting to kill a prey, > > but then back up and wait. Thus, hesitation, but then > > again this is not the problematic hesitation or is it? > > When we hesitate, don't we have a reason why, even if > > it is fear or distance (something is not close enough > > to get so we wait patiently as to not waste energy). > > I'm glad to see you noticed the cougar was me. I > > hesitate due to doubts and that I would say is > > problematic, or maybe I'm thinking that's problematic, > > for those doubts might be barriers influenced by > > patience. I'm waiting for the right moments, but then > > again it could be doubts bringing me down and thus, > > tiring me, depressing me into not doing anything about > > it (whatever it may be). Then eventually I go and do > > it, and find out it was necessary even if it was to > > dispel doubts that seemingly were holding me back > > (hesitation). > > Does this me not seeing a cougar throw a wrench > > into what you were onto? > > > > second snow of this cold season and it is laying all > > over the place, definitely more than a dusting, > > SA > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > > with Yahoo Mobile. 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