David M
On 11 Nov.you wrote:
Matt:
> > Minor point below..
> > the important thing in Greece wasn't Socrates, but Solon and
> > Pericles--it was democracy, not philosophy. It was the burgeoning of a
> > democratic culture for the first time. My main beef with Pirsig's
> > social/intellectual split is that it is typical of a philosopher--social
> > conventions on one side, life of the mind on the other. It is elitist
> > in the wrong way
> DM: Sure democracy and critical thought more generally is key to
> challenging religion, tradition and authority but the Greeks also give
> us science via new sort of talk about reason, evidence and experience.
> Dewey tells this story pretty well. And science is a pretty big player
> in out history as well as democracy. Also enlightenment protestantism
> is of course very important in the revival of free thinking and also
> gives us capitalism and economic individualism which helps democracy
> and tradition bashing just a touch too.
A quiet reading of old posts (at this pace a week ago is old)
revealed this gem. You don't connect it with anything MOQish -
SOM or Intellect - but still most apt. BTW, I don't know much
about Dewey, but I remember Scott Roberts' Owen Barfield who
has a similar notion of some profound shift taking place around
this time that he called "loss of participation". I.e. a previous
Golden (participation) Age being ousted by Science and
Modernity. This is uncannily like ZAMM's SOM displacing Aretê.
Don't you think? ... with the intellectual level's emerging from the
social IMO.
Bo
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