Hi Matt, I've read too much Nietzsche to ever statically consider them seriously. I'd like to think that given awareness, people want to move towards the good. Respecting the law seems important, but some laws are just dumb. I like 'And if it harms none, do as you please.', but that attitude needs to be steeped in awareness.
Marsha At 06:53 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote: >I can't remember who said it, but this reminds me of the 5 reasons for >moral/right/morally right action: > >I. fear of punishment >II. reward >III. respect for others >IV. respect for law >V. personal code of ethics > >These seem (somewhat) related. > > >On 11/25/07, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > At 10:05 PM 11/24/2007, you wrote: > > >I think that art extends all the way down to the notion of there being a > > >code for it. Hence, where to employ code of art and where not to is > > itself a > > >topic of art. What code of art is, well, from an MoQ perspective, it's > > >simple enough to say that it is an intellectual static pattern. Perhaps, > > art > > >can be said to be the "patternifying" (a process as opposed to a product) > > of > > >dynamic creativity into (a sort of filtering or locking) a form that the > > >intellect finds desirable. > > > > > >If we make such a broad definition of art, then it's clear that art is > > the > > >Will part of Schopenhauer's metaphysics. Again, he draws a similar > > >metaphysics as Pirsig when he divides Quality into Will and > > Representation > > >(DQ and SQ, although in a way making intellectual patterns supreme over > > the > > >others, in a sense of primacy rather than controlling). > > > > > > >But also > > > >while I am raking, sweeping and gathering leaves I am participating > > > >in an art experience too. > > > > > >Some people would totally ignore those aspects (such as arranging all the > > >dead leaves in patterns and then playing around with them), so would this > > >ignorance be classified as art? Skepticism of philosophy (or avoidance > > >thereof) is itself a matter of philosophy, therefore, to avoid art (as is > > >perceived by common sense -- through examples such as gathering leaves) > > >would itself be art. Art basically is the creation, sustenance, > > modification > > >and destruction of patterns in a desirable way, be it social patterns > > (such > > >as managing a committee) or inorganic (handling sewage waste). In this > > >respect, art can be said to be an opening door towards DQ. > > > > > >Akshay > > > > Akshay, > > > > Is what you're saying that there is only art (patternifying) and that > > one may be aware, actively participate or ignore it at any given > > moment. Maybe the code is just not ignoring the patternifying. Do > > you think that is too general? > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 24/11/2007, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > What does 'code of art' mean to you? > > > > > > > > I remember someone writing something about 'creating a life of > > > > art'. I thought, yes, that's what I want to do. On November 6th, I > > > > worked 18 hours at the voting poll. It was a wonderful 18-hour art > > > > project. Of course when I paint, I'm creating my dream. But also > > > > while I am raking, sweeping and gathering leaves I am participating > > > > in an art experience too. Should I build a spiderweb of > > > > evolution? What do you do? > > > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > > Archives: > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >Archives: > > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > >-- >"The only thing that separates us from the animals is...well, the truth is >nothing separates us from the animals." >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
