The scientific method, stated in bare-bones fashion, is not at fault. It is the application of it that renders studies like classical physics incomplete in its definition of reality.
Let me point out a simple error of application of the scientific method. At the core of the SM is Logic, with its foundation laid in computer science (axiomatic set theory et al). However, one of the biggest assumptions of science is that of the existence of an external world; in other words, the absolute truth of what is the waking state of mind. As Gav pointed out in a most fitting way, quantum physics has arrived at a stage where the fundamental assumptions of science are being subjected to scrutiny -- by science itself (as opposed to by philosophy, as was custom for hundreds of years). The Vedantic answer, modified to the MoQ's requirements, would be that Dynamic Quality is the absolute reality and everything else is relative. Now, exactly as to how true the normal world is is a debate that is related to one's attachment to the world. Hence, a complete renunciate (sannyasi) would say that DQ alone is reality and all else (SQ) is illusion, whereas a householder (grihastha) would say that SQ is real although only relatively so, thereby not denying SQ completely and maintaining his role in it by minimum attachment. I don't quite agree when Pirsig implicitly calls DQ an aesthetic experience (in ZAMM there is a division between the aesthetic and logical parts of the mind). What has aesthetics to do with it? Aesthetics is purely an intellectual pattern that links to biological patterns of pleasure and pain and social patterns of desire and aversion. Akshay On 26/11/2007, gav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the problem is not the scientific method. > the problem is in the interpretation. > whilst science operates under the inadequate aegis of > SOM it will have difficulty understanding the whole > picture: because it presumes the existence of an > objective reality separate to the observer. > quantum physics made this inadequacy glaringly obvious > - it still does. how do we interpret quantum reality > under SOM? - answer: we can't. > > a new context is required and that context is > emerging. new context = new myth. > > the new myth recognises the unity and sentience of > earth itself - gaia....and by extrapolation the entire > cosmos. > > as einstein said: the assumption that we are separate > is just an optical illusion of consciousness. quantum > physics literally shows us the intimate > interconnection of all space. space and time order > reality; they are not reality itself. > > with an MOQ perspective we can make sense of > everything because we factor in the primacy of > undivided experience - pre-intellectual, aesthetic. > and this is absolute not relative knowledge. it is > knowledge by communion, by immersion, by identifying > with the world, by losing yourself in the world. > > > > --- MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Greetings, > > > > It seems that the problems with the scientific > > method have been > > recognized. Yet it has been anointed the best > > method for recognizing > > truth (provisional). If the scientific method is > > such a highly > > valued, but very static, intellectual pattern, how > > will a better > > method (pattern) get recognized? Maybe there's one > > emerging, but > > what would be the probability of me recognizing it? > > Everything seems > > a trap! > > > > Chop wood, carry water and paint? > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get the new Yahoo!7 Mail > now. www.yahoo7.com.au/worldsbestemail > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
