Bo SOM is the form intellect has developed from and with. The S-O distinction intellectually divides experience-reality into two. Via this division we try to understand reality-experience. But in the end this division proves flawed. The distinction has split qualities in an inconsistent way. MOQ re-thinks this distinction and thinks with a new distinction DQ/SQ. With DQ/SQ the misleading division between subjectivity and knowledge (objective) can be healed. You sound below as if there is not a problem with objective knowledge and as if subjectivity has no knowledge and truth. All this is resolved by MOQ (a new intellectual distinction that can shake off much of SOM)
David M ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Knowledge as MOQ's intellect > David M. > > On 9 Dec 2007 you responded to my conclusion: (below) > >> > Here Pirsig foresees how a MOQ-steeped future may sort out >> > these things better, but THAT presupposes a 4th. level=SOM that of >> > knowledge in the objective, truth, sense, just what he speaks of in >> > this passage. Not the mysterious mental faculty that has been >> > hijacked by SOM. > > DM: >> I think this is wrong because for me the MOQ transforms >> the objective-knowledge of SOM into the value derived >> knowledge of experience, a knowledge that is not essentialist >> or a knowledge about things-in-themselves. > > Can I get one thing straight? Do you see SOM (objective > knowledge) as something that has corrupted a pre-existing > "intellect" or do you agree with my analysis of the said passage > from LILA, that it (by many twists and turns) shows that SOM is > the intellectual level? All of it, every last bit? As long as this > Gordian Knot isn't cut such "solutions" as yours will be necessary > and the MOQ keeps limping along. > > The first point is that SOM in spite of starting as knowledge - as > truth - created its own necessary subjective counterpoint. This the > 4th. level (due to all levels' static blindness) allocated to (what in > MOQ's overview is) the social level. The error of seeing the SOM > as something that corrupted "intellect" and the error of seeing the > Sophists as resisting this corruption (instead of the subjectivists > they really were) gives the MOQ its unholy subjective slant. > > "Value derived knowledge of experience, not essentialist or a > knowledge about things in themselves" Don't you see how this > perpetuates the SOM in a mock-MOQish way. There is a thing-in- > themselves (objectivity) while intellectual patterns are mere > "value derived (read: subjective) knowledge" .... on and on the > SOM screw turns. > > Bo > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
