[SA previously]
> Yes, so 'just sit'. As I said, it depends on
> what your looking for. I can take a walk in the woods
> or sit by a fire after gathering the wood, and
> experience peace. I do need to continue walking in
> the woods and sit by fires and these are practices.
> Some people paint. I don't want to get into a debate
> as to who practices best and why. I'm saying ordinary
> life is in touch with reality just as any Chi exercise
> is. Who's practice is better would be a silly debate
> and I don't find value in that. If you could tell me
> the value of such a debate and something worthwhile
> would come out of it, then you could try to convince
> me otherwise.
[Dwai]
I know we might be referring to two separate phenomenon here and this
is not about which/whose practice is better.
The biggest hurdle to "knowing" the Universe is in the skepticism
that is built into us from childhood via the social system.
We don't acknowledge Chi/Prana and our world exist's in the phantasm
of our intellect. We mistake this world of thought-up words and
conjured imagery as reality.
[SA currently]
I guess it's your use of "we", as in "We mistake this world..." that
throws me off for I'm pretty sure you do acknowledge Chi/Prana.
[Dwai]
The Taoists, Vedantins all believe that this "reality" is not the
ultimate reality and further propose this alternate structured
framework to access the larger reality that exists.
[SA currently]
Again, your use of "this 'reality' is not the ultimate reality"? Not
sure what you mean. How do I know something that is not here? For once known,
isn't it thus here.
[Dwai]
While I whole-heartedly agree with you about the fact that ordinary
life is just as much in touch with this greater reality as is doing a
Chi exercise, our sensory and intellectual apparatuses aren't usually
prepared to access this reality.
[SA currently]
And thus we prepare and live.
[Dwai]
That's where these "exercises" come
into picture.
[SA currently]
As I pointed out, everybody exercises something. How might I express
what's dynamic? I can't.
[Dwai]
The Native Americans are equipped to access this
portion of reality due to their social conditioning. A non-native
mind is not, again due to social conditioning. Please refer to this
article for more details on this matter --
http://medhajournal.com/content/view/70/80/
[SA currently]
This seems too simplistic and too generalized of a notion your putting
forth. Non-native vs. native mind? Who's not native to where they are born?
[Dwai]
Also refer to the concept of Biocultures and how our knowing/learning
is affected by what part of the brain is developed as a result of our
bio-cultural environment (social conditioning) -- http://
biocultural.org/biocultures.html
[SA currently]
Yes, everything influences us.
[Dwai]
If you remember, this discussion was triggered by my initial query to
the group about their personal practices vis-a-vis MoQ (or whatever
else one might choose to refer to it as). And what I intended to
find out from that query is whether this "Greater Reality" can be
known by merely intellectual means or does it take a combination of
energy-work, meditation and intellectual analysis.
[SA currently]
I am this tiny skull, and the universe is much larger than this tiny
size of a skull. Remember me saying this to you once before. How does
"Greater Reality" fit into this real skull made of bone? It simply doesn't.
[Dwai]
In response to the "just sit and know" statement, I had to bring
forth to our attention that the Buddha didn't happen to stumble upon
this "just sit and know" -- there was a lot of preparation that went
into taking him there, which involved "Not sitting".
[SA currently]
I didn't doubt this. I was pointing out how Dogen realized by 'just
sitting' something happend. I'm sure Dogen ate dinner too.
[Dwai]
I hope we can discuss much further when the purva paksha is clearly
articulated.
[SA currently]
What's purva paksha?
lovely cold trees,
SA
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