Hi Dwai: 31 Dec. you wrote:
> The Taoists, Vedantins all believe that this "reality" is not the > ultimate reality and further propose this alternate structured > framework to access the larger reality that exists. I don't know how versed you are in the MOQ but according to my view (of its view) each level represent a reality, and as intellect is the highest level its S/O - scientific - view is often regarded as reality itself .... in the Western world at least. However there is the social reality below intellect and it is dominant in other cultures - the Middle East for example. (the "Far East" has reached a Q-like stage above intellect) Yet because the Quality Reality only is known to this tiny group (and a still tinier fraction understands it correctly) intellect is confused. It does not know any levels and is at a loss to interpret - for instance - the present social value rebounding in the form of terrorism. (this is just me lecturing, never mind). > If you remember, this discussion was triggered by my initial query > to the group about their personal practices vis-a-vis MoQ (or > whatever else one might choose to refer to it as). And what I > intended to find out from that query is whether this "Greater > Reality" can be known by merely intellectual means or does it take a > combination of energy-work, meditation and intellectual analysis. The "greater reality" is of course the Quality Reality and it can't be "known by intellectual means" (seen from the intellectual level) that's the whole point. Intellect is a static level, blind to the "greater Quality Reality", this is what I have been banging on for years, but most people insist on a "dynamic intellect" that can harbour all kinds of ideas included the MOQ. The MOQ applies intelligent analysis, but no longer in intellect's service. I don't know what meditation is exactly, but I have spent a lot of "energy- work" on loosening intellect's ties.. > In response to the "just sit and know" statement, I had to bring > forth to our attention that the Buddha didn't happen to stumble upon > this "just sit and know" -- there was a lot of preparation that went > into taking him there, which involved "Not sitting". All talk about mysticism, language not reflecting reality, pointing to the moon, just sitting ..etc. is Western people's half-baked ideas about Oriental wisdom, there surely was a lot of language (thinking) and what you call "intellectual analyses" (IMO intelligent ...) to break with intellect's S/O.. IMO Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
