Hi Steve I think that's pretty much on the money.
Thanks David M > > Steve said: >>> It is intellect that takes undivided experience and creates >>> the pattern called "organism," but this is not to say that there >>> is not real experience prior to the inference of this pattern. >>> The MOQ does not even object to the idea that objects >>> have an independent existence, it just points out that this is >>> an idea, and like any other idea should be taken only so far >>> as it is practical. > > Steve: > I think as soon as you say that there is someone having the experience the > experience you are talking about is already divided, contingent, > patterned, whatever. > Steve: > The way you described it, it is an S/O phenomenon, but the MOQ says > something different. It starts with Quality (experience without > presupposing a person who experiences) and says that the subject is an > abstraction from experience. The subject then intellectualizes experience > to come up with the idea that he existed prior to the experience and is > the "one who experiences." The MOQ doesn't say that thinking of yourself > as an experiencing subject is a bad idea, it just points out that this is > an idea. > Steve: > The MOQ says Quality comes first since this cognizant subject of yours > would have no meaning without Quality. Also, it agrees with you that "the > body of this subject would have to be primay to its awareness" to the > extent that this is a good idea that should be used as long as it is > practical to do so, but this idea has no meaning without Quality, so > Quality is actually primary. > Steve: > I don't think it is "in conflict," you are just saying something > different. The polar coordinates and rectanglular coordinates and > paintings in a gallery analogies apply. > > DMB can probably explain this better than I can. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
