Hi Steve
On 29 Jan. you wrote:
> I don't know what your S/O level could mean as a type of pattern of
> value. ....
SOL just mean that the intellectual level is the S/O distinction or
aggregate. This is what Pirsig affirms in the P.Turner letter.
I think the same happens to the term,
"intellectual," when one extends it much before
the Ancient Greeks.*
"Ancient Greeks" means SOM in a MOQ context. He drags his
feet by "not much before", still it means that the emergence of
SOM is the emergence of the intellectual level.
Steve:
> The intellectual level as the collection of all patterns of thought
> (ideas, rationales) seems clear to me.
So when a Stone Ager looked up in the sky and THOUGHT about
all those gods and goddesses who shone forth up there ... this
was intellectualization. Phew?
"Rationales" on the other hand are definitely S/O
(objectivizations). Your "ideas" may also be understood in this
"rational" manner and if so all is well, but the "intelligence" fallacy
lurks under your utterings.
Bo had said:
> >In this quote Pirsig speaks of "intellectuals" who are people
> >focussed at the intellectual level, but consist of all levels. What
> >he asks is for these people to come down from their high perch and
> >employ their social sense, not that their intellectual part should
> >become "social". This is so obvious that I can't fathom why you cling
> >to this weird notion that the static intellectual level is malleable.
> >Well I only know too well, it results from your fallacious
> >"mind"-intellect which is SOM's last defence.
Steve:
> I can't make much sense of the above.
Really? You sure it's not the well known tactics of faking
bewilderment? Do you refute the MOQ tenet of people being
made up of value levels? That an "intellectual" (a professor f.ex.)
is also a social being and a biological organism .. made up of
inorganic matter? Or what's the difficulty?
Had you refused to discuss the MOQ - like some of the
chatterbugs - I would not have bothered, but you seem genuinely
interested in it.
Bo
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