Hi Ham,

You said to Bo:
>I have some problems understanding MoQ patterns generally.  So, forgive me 
>if this sounds like a criticism, as I'm only looking for clarification.

Steve:
I hope you don't mind if I put my 2 cents in.

Ham:
>If an organism is a biological pattern that is made up of matter, which the 
>MOQ considers "inorganic", why does the organism not share this inorganic 
>property?  An organism would be made up of minerals, like phosphorous, 
>calcium, and carbon, for example.  Logically, to the extent that it contains 
>such inorganic matter, it shares the properties (or nature) of matter.

Steve:
Biological patterns can't exist without inorganic patterns. The organism you 
are thinking of a collection of both types of patterns.

Ham:
>Are you saying that because it is a "pattern" it is the intellect, rather 
>than Nature, which constructs an organism?   Is it the general concept that 
>objects are patterns observed by the intellect only, that is to say, that 
>they have no independent existence?
>If so, do the elements of chemistry and physics exist, or are they only 
>patterns too?

Steve:
It is intellect that takes undivided experience and creates the pattern called 
"organism," but this is not to say that there is not real experience prior to 
the inference of this pattern. The MOQ does not  even object to the idea that 
objects have an independent existence, it just points out that this is an idea, 
and like any other idea should be taken only so far as it is practical.

Regards,
Steve

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