Hi Steve
28 Jan.
Bo earlier:
> > I don't know what "problem" he refers to but "intellectual
> > justification of
> > existing social patterns" sounds weird. As Pirsig says a person
> > consists of all levels (at least in the Western world) and the
> > intellect will under no circumstances "justify" any social patterns.
Steve:
> It's only because of your SOL interpretation that this sounds weird.
> If you think of the levels as types of patterns of value this makes
> perfect sense.
Do I not support the notion of the levels as "types of patterns of
value"? Moreover Pirsig's books reflects the SOL interpretation in
the portions that count, I have shown it again and again, but you
(all) just clam shut when the proofs become too overwhelming.
Would you like to open a discussion on it when you have a lull?
> Here is an example of Pirsig describing the role of intellect:
From Lila... "And this is a war in which intellect, to end the
paralysis of society, has to know whose side it is on, and
support that side, never undercut it. Where biological
values are undermining social values, intellectuals must
identify social behavior, no matter what its ethnic
connection, and support it all the way without restraint.
Intellectuals must find biological behavior, no matter what
its ethnic connection, and limit or destroy destructive
biological patterns with complete moral ruthlessness, the
way a doctor destroys germs, before those biological
patterns destroy civilization itself."
(I like to keep Pirsig's words apart)
The intellectual level is static, meaning blind to the DQ/SQ
context, it's mission is to control the level below itself and so it
has done very well reflected for instance in the constitution of the
USA. But because it (before the MOQ) had no "level" above itself
to check its progress - merely being perceived as a freedom
movement that could grow into the heavens - it caused social
havoc.
The intellectual/social struggle is part of the game and will go on
but until the MOQ is realized is dangerous. More than anything
this affirms the SOL, namely that the MOQ has a certain upper
level relationship regarding intellect. The latter cannot harbor a
patterns that limits itself, it is as absurd as the social level
spawning a pattern that limits social value. Well, society DID so
and that became the intellectual level, and it spawned one that
became the MOQ.
In this quote Pirsig speaks of "intellectuals" who are people
focussed at the intellectual level, but consist of all levels. What
he asks is for these people to come down from their high perch
and employ their social sense, not that their intellectual part
should become "social". This is so obvious that I can't fathom
why you cling to this weird notion that the static intellectual level
is malleable. Well I only know too well, it results from your
fallacious "mind"-intellect which is SOM's last defence.
IMO
Bo
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