Ha Magnus (and then rest), I was wondering when someone might ask that ;-) We've spent so many years debating SOMism & the 3/4 split, that we've taken much else for granted ... A quick response - a long time since I rehearsed a good response ... When you say 2/3 split you are really referring to the 2 vs (3&4) split because at this point 3&4 are not clearly distinguished (for me). So ...
I see three levels ... 1 being "inorganic" - ie reducible to "physics" - relations (subject-quality-object triples) based on communication of physical forces and effects amongst things. 2 being "biological" - ie reducible to "life" (but not physics) - relations based on communication of "genetically encoded" information amongst things. 3/4 being "socio-intellectual" - ie reducible to "culture" - relations based-on communication of abstract ideas amongst things - but not reducible merely to life (or, god forbid, physics). [The socio-intellectual spectrum is a matter of degree of authority vs free-thought in a given cultural environment.] (Hence in my world "quality" is pretty well equivalent to communicable information - where information is encoded in ever higher emergent patterns, not reducible to the lower substrate patterns.) So 2 is distinguished from 3&4 by the absence of abstract (symbolic) information communication. How's that for starters ? Ian On 2/12/08, Magnus Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ian > > Thanks for the compressed version. I'll skip down a bit... > > ian glendinning wrote: > > 1/2 and 2/3 seem clear enough. > > How would you describe the 3rd level, or the split between 2/3? > > Not sure if I missed anything you have discussed lately. > > Magnus > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
