Chris:
> I am young, and compared to a lot of you I am very
> new to this, but I firmly
> believe that a fundamental mistake is taking place
> here. I feel that the
> major criticism of the SOL is mainly based on some
> vague impression that if
> rationality (SOM) is the 4th level that would
> diminish the Quality of the
> other levels - that to recognize that would be
> saying that the other levels
> aren't as "Good".
SA: I don't find it about the other levels being not
"as 'Good'". I'm not into the comparison. Each level
is excellent unto its' own. The SOL is an
interpretation about what the intellectual level is.
The dividing of reality into s's and o's. I find the
intellect can cut reality into many patterns. For
one, the moq levels are cut into four levels, not just
s's and o's. Pirsig thought this through, and the
four levels and the understanding of dq are another
way to rationalize reality. You see, I'm part of the
crowd that is comfortable with intellect being a way
to cut and divide reality into different patterns of
value. I'm comfortable with intellect meaning
thinking. Another way to intellectualize the world is
the same as my bridge story in [MD] bridge musing, I
recently posted. The middle way between two lands, or
the place were the two lands are one, but these are
all analogies.
Chris:
> This is not advocating the SOM, this is not
> going back to a preZMM
> understanding, it is just making the MOQ run more
> smoothly.
SA: Bo doesn't know what the moq does (his meta-level
moq above his 4th level). I've asked him before. No
answer. Marsha recently asked him. No answer. So,
Bo goes on intellectualizing the world as s's and o's.
Rationalizing s's and o's, and thus, what's so
different from this kind of thinking of the world and
SOM, nothing. SOM is not just a reality, it's a
reality based on a kind of thinking. SOM is a way to
philosophy about how the world is, thus, in SOM the
world is about a subject separating him/her self from
objects. This is all fine and useful, but I don't
find this 'separation' to be the only way to
understand the world. What about a good poem where
we're not concentrating on trying to divide up the
world between us's and them's/pure black and pure
white/I and everything else. To plainly separate the
world this way is and to take this as the only way to
intellectualize is shallow and narrrow. What about
beautiful paintings?
I've got to go to work,
snowing a lot now,
SA
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