Hello Ham Good Question I think - here is my thoughts and interpretations:
Ham: >This may be a silly question, and I know it's been discussed before, but I >have always been confused about Pirsig's use of "static" for S/O patterns >and "dynamic" for the Quality that supports them. And I suspect that I'm >not alone in this confusion. I've been told that DQ is dynamic because it >gives rise to patterns (or at least encompasses them), but that doesn't >seem >to properly describe the unchanging foundational Quality, or the fact that >most patterns are experienced as changing or evolving in some away. Me: Of course it doesn't describe it properly - Dynamic Quality is merely the best word we have to describe something that is fundamentally indefinable =) The static patterns we can see - and the reason for the ongoing changes and fluxuations is that they are reacting to Dynamic Quality - which cannot be defined: rather like a black hole, we cannot observe it, only the results of it. >If a rock is a static pattern of value, is a meteor (also a rock) that >flashes across the sky a static pattern? You folks call Biology a level, >rather than a pattern. But is the biological process by which a fertilized >cell multiplies, differentiates and becomes a living organism a static >pattern? Or are the the sperm cell, the egg, the embryo. the fetus, and the >infant each a separate pattern? A meteor is indeed a static pattern of value. Furthermore all static manifestations of biological level are in some degree able to react and respond to DQ, that is the whole of it. The things you name are not separate, they belong to the biological level of static patterns of value, but maybe they are in a state where DQ effects them more, I don't know. >In other words, when does a pattern begin (from a level), and are there any >patterns that may be regarded as dynamic? It seems to me that everything >that exists is in some state of flux, moving from simple to complex, or >evolving from the lowest (inorganic) to the highest (intellectual) level. >If S/O reality is constantly changing, why are its components not dynamic? Patterns are static, by their very nature. And S/O reality is not really changing, The S/O reality is merely a static pattern that interprets the world (for us that means Quality) in a certain way. It can expand of course, but since it is a static pattern that says "This is a Good Way to interpret everything" it cannot go beyond it's frames (the frames being the definition of the world as being made up by subjects and objects alone.) >Tangential to this is another question. Chris suggested above that social >values may also be patterns. If this is true, does it mean that moral >precepts or emotional feelings like Awareness, Freedom, Love, Justice, and >Fear are social or intellectual patterns? Are these "intermediate states" >of recognized patterns, or are they only myths abstracted from Quality? The MOQ would state that those feelings are reactions to Quality (Dynamic undefined Quality) and can belong to any level really. The feelings may of course be transformed into static patterns (Marriage for example being a static social pattern of value) But when they arise they are (in a MOQ explanation) reactions to Quality. >I'm not being critical; I simply need to understand the dynamics of this >hierarchy as a logical ontology. (If, indeed, "dynamics" is the correct >word.) Well, that's my interpretation of this philosophy anyway =) Regards Chris Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
