Quoting david buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Steve asked: > What are the bad results of not believing in God? > > Platt answered: > National Socialism, Fascism, Communism. > > dmb says: > As Arlo pointed out, "Painting the Nazi's as "atheistic" is simply an > historically > invalid rhetorical attempt to disassociate religion from the holocaust". One > of > Hitler's top officers was so fanatical a believer that his failure to find the > holy grail drove him to commit suicide. In fact, the Catholic Church has been > criticized for its complicity with fascism in Germany, Italy and Spain. The > history of anti-Semitism within Christianity goes back at least a thousand > years. > Mussolini and the Italian Fascists were given support by the Vatican and > could not > have come to power without that help. Likewise, Franco was very interested in > reasserting the power and authority of the Catholic church in Spain and tried > to > re-establish the monarchy upon his death in 1975. > > In fact, a common theme among these fascist and their theist friends was their > fear and hatred of "godless communism". Fascism was/is the attempt to reassert > tradition in the face of secular democracy and so it is certainly no accident > that > fascism is essentially anti-intellectual, anti-democratic and religious. (And > if > you see a parallel between that and today's neocons, it is only because you're > paying attention.) And even if fascism were entirely secular, it still would > not > fit Sam Harris's idea of legitimate position based on reason or evidence. > > There's a nice little documentary called "Italian Fascism in Color" that is > worth > seeing on this point. Netflix has it, if you're interested. > > See, the thing about drawing lessons from history is that one has to first > learn > what actually happened in history. Otherwise its just, "yea, team! Our side is > good and the other side is evil", which is exactly the fascist attitude.
If you really want to know what happened in history, read "Liberal Fascism." ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
