Hi Steve, > Steve: > What are the bad results of not believing in God?
National Socialism, Fascism, Communism. > > Platt: > > I don't quite follow. How can someone believe what she doubts? > > Those who > > believe in God don't have doubts, do they? > > Steve: > It sounds absurd to me too, but religious people will often tell you > that faith requires doubt. If you didn't have doubt, no faith would > be needed, so doubt is viewed as a gift from God. It's an opportunity to > have faith. This is why I interpreted this sort of faith as claiming that > it is a virtue to believe that which is bad to believe. This "faith > requires doubt" idea is just dishonest. Another view: God is the certainty behind the doubt of God's existence. > > Platt: > > > > Personally I like Pirsig's solution as to what to believe -- choose what > > for you has value like paintings in a gallery and leave the rest. > > Steve: > Faith in the paintings analogy is to claim that it is a virtue to say you > like the religious paintings even if you don't like them. Nothing in the paintings analogy suggests it's good to lie about what you like. > > Platt: > > Good point. But if we don't agree what rights are "endowed by their > > Creator," then it's a free-for-all where anything goes depending on the > > biggest mob or the group with the most potent weapons. > > Steve: > I guess that's the situation we are in until God tells us what our > rights are. It seems to be the situation we are in with amoral SOM intellect. Regards, Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
