Many a true word Platt ... My only insight is common sense and an interest in what can be known, based on available evidence and wisdom.
When we put ourselves in the mind of another (Bear or Berry or Fish) as you did, and as we humans are wont to do, we have to remember its mind is not our mind nor even a human mind, if it has one at all. Hence my remark about bewaring anthropomorphism But, Bear-wise ... is different to Berry-wise or Fish-wise or Human-wise, because we're all differently evolved morally - which was Arlo's point. Bearwise food is food. End of. The bear get's viceral feedback on eating what is good, (Berry or Fish) They're not the same, but if ripe and not rotten, they are both good, Phaedrus. Berry-wise - the berry has accomplished its SOLE reason for existence in being eaten by a bear. Not just good, best the thing, bar none, that could happen to it. If it could the berry would throw itself in front of the fish and insist the bear eat it rather than the fish. One day berries might evolve that important life-skill. (But they'd have to evolve minds and motor skills just like us humans - oh, look, we did that already ... but then the moral balance has changed ... and being eaten by a bear no longer looks like your best option in life.) ;-) Fish-wise - the morality deal is a bit more complicated. I'm not even gonna try, but the deal exists, be in no doubt, like a fish needs a bicycle. Ian On 2/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Platt one (constructive) thought inserted ... > > > > You wondered > > > from the berry's point of view if it doesn't consider what the bear is > > > doing to it as immoral. If I was a berry I would think so. > > > > > Well only if you objectify the individual berry, as a SOMist might do. > > > > If you chose to look at the berries and their genes (selfish ones, the > > kind you approve of) I'd be thinking "Ooh goodie, a bear, now I can > > get coated in bear shit and shat in the woods - our manured future is > > secure. My sole purpose in life, as the fruiting body of a highly > > evolved flowering plant is to be eaten by a bear." > > > > All a matter of perspective. We have to be careful when we > > anthropomorphize the "feelings" of the participants in quality > > interactions. > > But you opined: "Bearwise, food is food, fish or berries." I presumed you > had some special insight into how a bear felt. But, I like your "Oh, goodie > ..." > berry view. Berry funny. :-) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
