> [Platt] > There are more quotes showing betterness equating with "value" and "moral" > if you want me to post them. > > [Arlo] > Yeah, I just don't see these quotes supporting the conflation of "better" > with "more moral". Are you suggesting it's "more moral" for a person to get > out bed in the morning than not?
In the view of the MOQ, yes. Don't you think that something of more value is better than something of lesser value? (values=morals) > So again I am lost as to what exactly is the point of contention here. I've > no problem with the word "better". I just find it confusing terminology to > say "more moral" (to talk about intra-level comparisons). > A berry is not "less moral" than a bear. They are both biological patterns > of value (or morals). Intellectually, we divide the world and as such make > an intellectual value judgment about the superiority of the bear's ability > to respond Dynamically, and so intellectually we pronounce that the "bear" > is a more advanced biological pattern (more evolved), but to call it "more > moral" (to me) just sounds confusing and misleading. > > I think, and I will go through LILA later, that the only time Pirsig uses > "more moral" is to refer to level comparisons, not intra-level pattern > comparisons. So he'd say that biological patterns are "more moral" than > inorganic patters, but not that polar coordinates are "more moral" than > Cartesian ones. We agree on lower levels being less moral than higher ones. But, I think you agreed with me that within the intellectual and social levels some patterns are better than others. > So no more quotes demonstrating Pirsig felt some things are "better". I get > that. I buy it. OK, but here's just one more quote to support my contention that "betterness" goes to heart of the MOQ: "Ferrier's first move is to look for the absolute starting-point of metaphysics in a proposition which states the one invariable and essential feature in all knowledge, and which cannot be denied without contradiction. For the MOQ this is, "Some things are better than others." Every infant knows this before he learns his first word." Copleston Papers No mas. Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
