[Platt] There are more quotes showing betterness equating with "value" and "moral" if you want me to post them.
[Arlo] Yeah, I just don't see these quotes supporting the conflation of "better" with "more moral". Are you suggesting it's "more moral" for a person to get out bed in the morning than not? So again I am lost as to what exactly is the point of contention here. I've no problem with the word "better". I just find it confusing terminology to say "more moral" (to talk about intra-level comparisons). A berry is not "less moral" than a bear. They are both biological patterns of value (or morals). Intellectually, we divide the world and as such make an intellectual value judgment about the superiority of the bear's ability to respond Dynamically, and so intellectually we pronounce that the "bear" is a more advanced biological pattern (more evolved), but to call it "more moral" (to me) just sounds confusing and misleading. I think, and I will go through LILA later, that the only time Pirsig uses "more moral" is to refer to level comparisons, not intra-level pattern comparisons. So he'd say that biological patterns are "more moral" than inorganic patters, but not that polar coordinates are "more moral" than Cartesian ones. So no more quotes demonstrating Pirsig felt some things are "better". I get that. I buy it. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
