[Joe]: The question I am asking is Which is more real ³existence² or ³abstraction² involving ³intentional existence²? IMO Pirsig answered that there is no intentional existence. Aristotle was wrong. Intentional existence is not metaphysics, nor is potential existence except, perhaps, to a designer. There is no mind which abstracts essence from reality, there is only inner and outer experience.
DM: My way of looking at our experience is that whilst our outer experience is very open to many interpretations and is very rich it is in some sense finite relative to the potential & freedom that we seem to find in our inner and imaginative experience. That's why mathematicians explore the possible more than the actual. There is surely a sense in which as agents and artists and makers that the potential is made actual and moves from the inner to the outer sphere. What other sense is there to creation, both human and natural.Wonder at this is what gave us the idea of divinity. Is not a true and perfect circle not a potential idea, a perfect idea, essential to make sense of the actual, but is never trully found or actualised. Unlike Plato of course I think there is more to potentia than the perfect, the infinite contains everything not just the ideal, the anti-ideal too, and everyform inbetween, but only potentially. The potential is also not in some other realm, it is with it, it is entirely available in experience, if only you have the time and inclination to fully explore it, but like any journey you can't teleport around it, you have to work at it. We are a thread that seperates the finite and in-finite, or SQ/DQ. David M Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
