Ham, and DM, Ham said > Humans can imagine lots of things, but imagination has no claim on logic, > and conjuring up multi-universes violates Occam's razor without resolving > the problem of creation.
(1) Reality has no monoply on logic either. And (2) Multiverses do not "violate" Occam. God does not violate Occam any less. (Occam is a rule of thumb, not a fundamental "law" anyway.) "first cause" (creation, if you prefer) is an unresolved metaphysical loophole everywhere. I don't find that a surprising issue. My suspicion is there probably always will be this "hole" in any emprical (experience = reality) sense. Even a near-perferct metaphysics, would be contingent at this point Original God-like metaphors are as good as any, even for an atheist, and as David says elsewhere in this thread - the teleological / causation / anthropic principles are the current debating ground for this. (I'm no fan of multiverses, or even "inflationary" cosmology either BTW.) To my mind, the core problem, is that in order to "differentiate" some (any) "significant difference" first has to exist. Ian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
