> Ron:
> I think value is the activity called forming.
> It is the act of making distinctions.
> >From atoms to thoughts about atoms.
SA: I get it now. I agree. What about dynamic value
that is formless?
> > Ron previously:
> > Right, you got it. Better/worse are subjective
> > interpretations Of the value act.
>
>
> SA previously: "Subjective"? - meaning performed by
a person?
> Or "subjective" - meaning not able to be
> 'judged'/'valued' as more true than something else?
> I don't know.
>
> Ron:
> The second one "subjective" - meaning [able] to be
> 'judged'/'valued' as more true or better than
> something else.
> Maybe I should have dropped the term and left it as
> Interpretation.
SA: Ahhh, ok, but I wonder about interpretations. It
seems that interpretations denoting if a pattern is
better or worse is still a value process and even as a
static pattern values a better or a worse, better is
what all static patterns strive for, yet, those static
patterns heading for the worse and thus, degenerating
are doing so by a collapse of a static level
foundation, which from the intellectual collapse into
social level and social collapse into biological isn't
the outcome, the 'where' the patterns collapsed into,
collapsing into something that is still moral. As
much as I value intellectual patterns, if an
intellectual experience of mine would happen to
collapse into the social level would memory stimulate
suffering to the lose of the higher moral level
experience collapsing into the social level? Also,
what is worse, isn't it better than something else
that is even more worse (probably hence your
'subjective' non-absolute truth comment)?
> SA previously: I guess I'm having difficulty with
"equal"
> being the same as "domination". They seem
contradictory.
> Yet, I think what your saying, I'm going to take a
> shot in the dark, is when all becomes equal, the
> wheels lock, everything gets a fair share, nothing
> can be ahead or more moral, and this would mean the
code
> of art is no more. By code of art, I mean dq more
> moral than sq.
>
> Ron:
> Right again.
SA: Ah, good.
> SA previously: Yes, by trying to figure out what's
on the
> intellectual level, and what's lower morally, thus,
> on the social level, is an activity of playing 'king
of
> the hill'. To keep trying to prove that one's view
> is more superior takes away any inspiration. I view
> the act of inspiration as including compassion,
> kindness, etc... For inspiration is to occur when
something
> dynamic occurs, or something better (for somebody,
> it may not for somebody else), but inspiration lifts
> one to think they are on to something worthwhile. I
> could go more into this, but I've got to go to work
and I
> want to send this before I leave. I don't think
> we're finished with this last comment in this post.
> Ron:
> I am enjoying the exchange SA, it is refreshing to
> move along so clearly. I appreciate your effort
tremendously, thank > you for caring enough To make an
effort at understanding what I'm > trying to say, it
speaks Volumes about your character.
SA: I sent this late last night before work, but it
didn't go. I realized it didn't go until after work.
So, that's why I'm able to comment now.
I feel the same. I don't know why, before, I
would at times feel the need to argue it out with
somebody, especially if they are dug in and will not
move on the issue. I don't know why I did that. For
some reason, I thought if I could put one more
thought, that one thought of clarity into the
discussion then the other person would finally
understand what I'm saying, but to no avail for some.
Oh, well. I've tried long discussions in the past,
and some have worked out wonderfully. I'd have to say
this one is excellent and I thank you for your care
and effort to understand me. Is it really the end of
the world if one experiences reality differently than
somebody else? I don't think so. I think
experiencing this approach we have going here in this
discussion Ron, in this forum, helps instill
confidence and understanding that when disagreements
do arise they are not perceived to be so threatening.
Thanks.
snow,
snow,
snow,
white,
white,
white,
flakes,
flakes,
flakes,
little bits of brown,
SA
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