Jorge, SA, I didn't see that SA quote. Which thread was it ? I can't find it.
(I ask because DM and I have been dropping Alan Rayner links into these mails for a couple of years, and this is the first time I've seen anyone make the connection.) Excellent to see some traction. Ian On 3/3/08, Jorge Goldfarb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SA wrote (Feb. 24) quoting Alan Rayner: > > "But that is precisely what rationalistic logic, > based ultimately on the exclusion of "space" as "void > nothing" from "matter" as "definite something", has > been persuading us to try vainly to "do" for > millennia, whilst becoming ever more deeply entrenched > in our philosophical, mathematical and scientific > foundations. The fundamental premise of this logic ? > the existence of independently definable and > quantifiable objects ? lies in an idealized freezing > out of "imperfection" (i.e. "space") from discrete and > regularized geometrical form, constrained within a > three-dimensional box extended to infinity. > This abstract imposition of discontinuity by > definition neither takes account of nor does justice > to contemporary scientific findings and real life > experience of the dynamic continuity of natural flow. > Yet it continues to be defended most zealously by > those whose claim to authority rests in what they > regard as disinterested objective observation and > evidence. It also leads to the deep paradox, conflict, > waste and damage that arises through dislocating > "self" from "neighbourhood", making us believe in an > unsustainable, competitive struggle for existence and > individual perfection that is at odds with the > variability of the natural world that both sustains > and includes us. > The scientific beginnings of the ending of this > dislocation, and associated recovery in awareness of > our dynamically continuous natural geometry, have > emerged with the advent of relativity, quantum > mechanics and non-linear dynamical systems theory. All > these theories signify, in one way or another, the > inextricability of space from matter in a fluid > dynamic cosmos of energy flow." > > - Alan Rayner > > - > http://www.inclusional-research.org/spacetime.php > +++++++++++++ > > Thanks, SA, for bringing up the above quote and > the link to the website of the Inclusional Research > group. Quite a lot of interesting materials in there. > > On reading those texts I was wondering how MOQ > could connect with their views on Space. In this forum > there seems to be a lot of concern about DQ in-time; > this to judge from the many posts on static/dynamic, > etc. What about DQ in-space? Seems an interesting > field of exploration; not in Newtonian (absolute) > space but in Space as understood by people in the > Inclusional group. > > Perhaps this has been discussed before in > MOQdiscuss? I wrote "inclusional" in the Search box > with zero results. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good > > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
