Ian,
I posted this quote of Rayner after I browsed
through his website when I linked to it via your post
on Feb. 19 in the [MD] Art for our sakes ? as follows:
[MD] Art for our sakes ?
ian glendinning psybertron at gmail.com
Tue Feb 19 08:52:44 PST 2008
"Take a look at this beautiful anthology of poems and
art works from Alan Rayner.
http://www.inclusional-research.org/furtherreading.php
"
etc...
SA continues: I've browsed his website before via
your introduction in the past. I see you contribute
in his dicussion group at times. By the way, I posted
this quote below in this same thread in Feb.
blue, very very blue - very warm, amazingly warm,
SA
Ian:
> I didn't see that SA quote. Which thread was it ? I
> can't find it.
> (I ask because DM and I have been dropping Alan
> Rayner links into
> these mails for a couple of years, and this is the
> first time I've
> seen anyone make the connection.)
> Excellent to see some traction.
> Ian
>
> On 3/3/08, Jorge Goldfarb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > SA wrote (Feb. 24) quoting Alan Rayner:
> >
> > "But that is precisely what rationalistic
> logic,
> > based ultimately on the exclusion of "space" as
> "void
> > nothing" from "matter" as "definite something",
> has
> > been persuading us to try vainly to "do" for
> > millennia, whilst becoming ever more deeply
> entrenched
> > in our philosophical, mathematical and scientific
> > foundations. The fundamental premise of this logic
> ?
> > the existence of independently definable and
> > quantifiable objects ? lies in an idealized
> freezing
> > out of "imperfection" (i.e. "space") from discrete
> and
> > regularized geometrical form, constrained within a
> > three-dimensional box extended to infinity.
> > This abstract imposition of discontinuity by
> > definition neither takes account of nor does
> justice
> > to contemporary scientific findings and real life
> > experience of the dynamic continuity of natural
> flow.
> > Yet it continues to be defended most zealously by
> > those whose claim to authority rests in what they
> > regard as disinterested objective observation and
> > evidence. It also leads to the deep paradox,
> conflict,
> > waste and damage that arises through dislocating
> > "self" from "neighbourhood", making us believe in
> an
> > unsustainable, competitive struggle for existence
> and
> > individual perfection that is at odds with the
> > variability of the natural world that both
> sustains
> > and includes us.
> > The scientific beginnings of the ending of
> this
> > dislocation, and associated recovery in awareness
> of
> > our dynamically continuous natural geometry, have
> > emerged with the advent of relativity, quantum
> > mechanics and non-linear dynamical systems theory.
> All
> > these theories signify, in one way or another, the
> > inextricability of space from matter in a fluid
> > dynamic cosmos of energy flow."
> >
> > - Alan Rayner
> >
> > -
> > http://www.inclusional-research.org/spacetime.php
> > +++++++++++++
> >
> > Thanks, SA, for bringing up the above quote
> and
> > the link to the website of the Inclusional
> Research
> > group. Quite a lot of interesting materials in
> there.
> >
> > On reading those texts I was wondering how
> MOQ
> > could connect with their views on Space. In this
> forum
> > there seems to be a lot of concern about DQ
> in-time;
> > this to judge from the many posts on
> static/dynamic,
> > etc. What about DQ in-space? Seems an interesting
> > field of exploration; not in Newtonian (absolute)
> > space but in Space as understood by people in the
> > Inclusional group.
> >
> > Perhaps this has been discussed before in
> > MOQdiscuss? I wrote "inclusional" in the Search
> box
> > with zero results.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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