Ian,
I knew I could have waited to read further in
this thread and I would have come across an answer
already. I think Jorge would be encouraged by Rayner
due to Jorge's good inclination in science.
SA
Ian:
> Ah, got it ...
> And SA was the only person to respond to the "Art
> for our sakes" thread too.
> Thanks SA
> Ian
>
> On 3/3/08, ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Jorge, SA,
> >
> > I didn't see that SA quote. Which thread was it ?
> I can't find it.
> >
> > (I ask because DM and I have been dropping Alan
> Rayner links into
> > these mails for a couple of years, and this is the
> first time I've
> > seen anyone make the connection.)
> >
> > Excellent to see some traction.
> > Ian
> >
> > On 3/3/08, Jorge Goldfarb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > SA wrote (Feb. 24) quoting Alan Rayner:
> > >
> > > "But that is precisely what rationalistic
> logic,
> > > based ultimately on the exclusion of "space" as
> "void
> > > nothing" from "matter" as "definite something",
> has
> > > been persuading us to try vainly to "do" for
> > > millennia, whilst becoming ever more deeply
> entrenched
> > > in our philosophical, mathematical and
> scientific
> > > foundations. The fundamental premise of this
> logic ?
> > > the existence of independently definable and
> > > quantifiable objects ? lies in an idealized
> freezing
> > > out of "imperfection" (i.e. "space") from
> discrete and
> > > regularized geometrical form, constrained within
> a
> > > three-dimensional box extended to infinity.
> > > This abstract imposition of discontinuity by
> > > definition neither takes account of nor does
> justice
> > > to contemporary scientific findings and real
> life
> > > experience of the dynamic continuity of natural
> flow.
> > > Yet it continues to be defended most zealously
> by
> > > those whose claim to authority rests in what
> they
> > > regard as disinterested objective observation
> and
> > > evidence. It also leads to the deep paradox,
> conflict,
> > > waste and damage that arises through dislocating
> > > "self" from "neighbourhood", making us believe
> in an
> > > unsustainable, competitive struggle for
> existence and
> > > individual perfection that is at odds with the
> > > variability of the natural world that both
> sustains
> > > and includes us.
> > > The scientific beginnings of the ending of
> this
> > > dislocation, and associated recovery in
> awareness of
> > > our dynamically continuous natural geometry,
> have
> > > emerged with the advent of relativity, quantum
> > > mechanics and non-linear dynamical systems
> theory. All
> > > these theories signify, in one way or another,
> the
> > > inextricability of space from matter in a fluid
> > > dynamic cosmos of energy flow."
> > >
> > > - Alan Rayner
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> http://www.inclusional-research.org/spacetime.php
> > > +++++++++++++
> > >
> > > Thanks, SA, for bringing up the above quote
> and
> > > the link to the website of the Inclusional
> Research
> > > group. Quite a lot of interesting materials in
> there.
> > >
> > > On reading those texts I was wondering
> how MOQ
> > > could connect with their views on Space. In this
> forum
> > > there seems to be a lot of concern about DQ
> in-time;
> > > this to judge from the many posts on
> static/dynamic,
> > > etc. What about DQ in-space? Seems an
> interesting
> > > field of exploration; not in Newtonian
> (absolute)
> > > space but in Space as understood by people in
> the
> > > Inclusional group.
> > >
> > > Perhaps this has been discussed before in
> > > MOQdiscuss? I wrote "inclusional" in the Search
> box
> > > with zero results.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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