Ah, got it ... And SA was the only person to respond to the "Art for our sakes" thread too. Thanks SA Ian
On 3/3/08, ian glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jorge, SA, > > I didn't see that SA quote. Which thread was it ? I can't find it. > > (I ask because DM and I have been dropping Alan Rayner links into > these mails for a couple of years, and this is the first time I've > seen anyone make the connection.) > > Excellent to see some traction. > Ian > > On 3/3/08, Jorge Goldfarb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SA wrote (Feb. 24) quoting Alan Rayner: > > > > "But that is precisely what rationalistic logic, > > based ultimately on the exclusion of "space" as "void > > nothing" from "matter" as "definite something", has > > been persuading us to try vainly to "do" for > > millennia, whilst becoming ever more deeply entrenched > > in our philosophical, mathematical and scientific > > foundations. The fundamental premise of this logic ? > > the existence of independently definable and > > quantifiable objects ? lies in an idealized freezing > > out of "imperfection" (i.e. "space") from discrete and > > regularized geometrical form, constrained within a > > three-dimensional box extended to infinity. > > This abstract imposition of discontinuity by > > definition neither takes account of nor does justice > > to contemporary scientific findings and real life > > experience of the dynamic continuity of natural flow. > > Yet it continues to be defended most zealously by > > those whose claim to authority rests in what they > > regard as disinterested objective observation and > > evidence. It also leads to the deep paradox, conflict, > > waste and damage that arises through dislocating > > "self" from "neighbourhood", making us believe in an > > unsustainable, competitive struggle for existence and > > individual perfection that is at odds with the > > variability of the natural world that both sustains > > and includes us. > > The scientific beginnings of the ending of this > > dislocation, and associated recovery in awareness of > > our dynamically continuous natural geometry, have > > emerged with the advent of relativity, quantum > > mechanics and non-linear dynamical systems theory. All > > these theories signify, in one way or another, the > > inextricability of space from matter in a fluid > > dynamic cosmos of energy flow." > > > > - Alan Rayner > > > > - > > http://www.inclusional-research.org/spacetime.php > > +++++++++++++ > > > > Thanks, SA, for bringing up the above quote and > > the link to the website of the Inclusional Research > > group. Quite a lot of interesting materials in there. > > > > On reading those texts I was wondering how MOQ > > could connect with their views on Space. In this forum > > there seems to be a lot of concern about DQ in-time; > > this to judge from the many posts on static/dynamic, > > etc. What about DQ in-space? Seems an interesting > > field of exploration; not in Newtonian (absolute) > > space but in Space as understood by people in the > > Inclusional group. > > > > Perhaps this has been discussed before in > > MOQdiscuss? I wrote "inclusional" in the Search box > > with zero results. > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good > > > > http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
