Hi Krim Like human beings (4 levels + DQ), consciousness has many elements to it. Like human beings this includes elements that have been around since the big bang, i.e. DQ and then the first level. Evolution adds the extra levels and sublevels that have more limited histroies. Looked at like this I'd suggest a key element of consciousness that we might call DQ has always been around. Seems to me some suggestions that something like consciousness is required for the cosmos to exist is a slightly unclear attempt to see that there is more to evolution than SQ we need the DQ and chance-events-actions-felts-qualia -qualities may have more of a history in cosmic evolution than full blown human consciousness but may have these felt or active qualities involved. As Pirsig says does the leaping electron have some kind of motivational or timing aspect. Who knows, I know yoiu prefer to say chance, but you cannot rule out some internal aspect to the jumping jelly beans! In our experience consciousness falls into mechanism/habits rather than vice versa. Does DQ preceed SQ? Does DQ jump, whilst SQ is an acquired unconsciousness. No way to clearly decide I'd suggest.
DM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [MD] The Beginning of it All [Dwai] My response merely mirrored your tone of inquiry. It is obvious to me know that you have no knowledge of Eastern Thoughts (or poor if at all). With that fact in mind, it seems strange that you pass judgment with such impunity. [Krimel] Ok, similarly I find your comments naïve. As the good folks at Firesign Theater used to say, "There's a seeker born every minute." > [Krimel] > I find the whole idea of reality as a kind of dim manifestation of > higher consciousness if no just plain silly at least at odds with the facts. [Dwai] Why is that? Pray share with me. [Krimel] What we see all around us is the process of evolution, solar energy being transduced into complex forms. I see 'consciousness' evolving in a similar direction and nothing whatever to suggest the reverse. Further I see this striving after a principle or entity in charge as a pernicious diversion; wishful thinking that it all makes sense and good things are sure to happen. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
