> [Krimel] > First I would point out that the static quality of "moral codes" at the > lowers level forms the foundation of higher levels. The higher level can > not exist without them and it is the very static quality that gives them > value.
[Platt] The static quality of the lower levels does not give the higher levels value. The values of the higher level are often at odds with those of the lower. [Krimel] This is just wrong. Value at higher levels emerges from and are dependant upon stasis at lower levels. If say a higher level value actually was in 'conflict' with a lower level value and 'won' the conflict. This would upset the static balance at the lower level and probably destroy the higher level altogether. So for example the value of reproduction can result in over population and biological factors can deplete static balance at lower levels; as in soil depletion and erosion from over farming the land. The result is starvation. It is more correct to say that values at a higher level may conflict with each other over static values at a lower level. [Platt] > Any 'moral force' (an ill advised term) is not only revealed at lower > levels but is shaped and constrained by them at higher levels. It is the > height of folly to suppose that they are not relevant. [Platt] No one claims they aren't "relevant." The claim is science has nothing to say about DQ, the moral force. [Krimel] Moral force as I said is a horrible meaningless term. Do you mean it as a force like gravity or electromagnetism? Then certainly it has not more meaning the ether of phlogiston. If you mean is as force like peer pressure of population pressure then certainly is can and is studied by science. [Platt] The "dismal" sciences? Ah, yes. But once again, you are suggesting static patterns are all that counts in the MOQ. To you, the moral force of Dynamic Quality is "ill advised." [Krimel] Science is not just the cataloging of static patterns. It examines the relationships among them and their affects on each other. Therein lays DQ. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
