Quoting Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > [Krimel] > > My personal view is that this is another example of Pirsig's unfortunate > > choice of terms. He claims that a rock falling to the ground is a matter > > of preference and values and that using such sloppy terms doesn't change > > the meaning. But it does. It allows you to run around yacking about the > > lack of moral codes in science when Pirsig has just said physics IS a > > moral code.Math, biology, geology the whole lot ARE moral codes in the > > MoQ. > > In this particular context it is your impoverished notions of morality > > that the MoQ rejects not science. > > [Platt] > You speak solely of static moral codes of the inorganic and biological > levels, a narrow, "impoverished" view of the MOQ. As for Dynamic Quality, > "moral force," you and science have nothing to say except to deny its > existence. > > [Krimel] > First I would point out that the static quality of "moral codes" at the > lowers level forms the foundation of higher levels. The higher level can not > exist without them and it is the very static quality that gives them value.
The static quality of the lower levels does not give the higher levels value. The values of the higher level are often at odds with those of the lower. > Any 'moral force' (an ill advised term) is not only revealed at lower levels > but is shaped and constrained by them at higher levels. It is the height of > folly to suppose that they are not relevant. No one claims they aren't "relevant." The claim is science has nothing to say about DQ, the moral force. > It is also incorrect to claim that science is not capable of studying > morality at other levels, that is what the social sciences are for, > including politics and economics, by the way. The "dismal" sciences? Ah, yes. But once again, you are suggesting static patterns are all that counts in the MOQ. To you, the moral force of Dynamic Quality is "ill advised." ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
