Quoting Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > [Krimel]
> > What good is a system of morals based on levels when hierarchy of levels
> > provides no guidance as to which level has moral priority? I thought that
> > was your point over and over with the Doctor and the Germ. But if it is
> > immoral for the higher level society to kill the lower level trees then 
> > what does the MoQ have to tell us about morality?
> 
> [Platt]
> The MOQ is clear. The higher levels have moral priority over the lower. "In 
> general, given a choice of two courses to follow and all other things being 
> equal, that choice which is more Dynamic, that is, at a higher level of 
> evolution, is more moral." (Lila, 13) Cutting down a few trees here and 
> there hardly dents the vitality of the biological level supporting 
> humanity. The sun's cooling has much greater effect, in case you haven't 
> noticed. 
> 
> [Krimel]
> The issue is not global warming but the specific examples of Easter Island
> and Haiti were social pressure caused deforestation and destroyed the
> societies. I thought you agreed that in these instances it was immoral for
> society to dominate biology.
> 
> > [Krimel]
> > Are you willing to go further and say that what we experience
> > pre-intellectually is a function of our biology. It is the memory of our
> > ancestors encoded in our genes?
> 
> [Platt]
> First question, yes. Atoms also experience, only non-biologically. Second 
> question, depends on what you mean by "memory." Is the memory of the first 
> human to build a fire encoded in our genes? No. Is the memory of being 
> frightened by loud noises like motorcycles make? Yes.
>  
> [Krimel]
> Right, not memory of specific events but of response to static patterns in
> our shared environments. By that I mean the patterns common to us and our
> ancestors. We inherit patterns of value that increase our probability of
> passing along our gene. 
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