Greetings Matt, Sorry to interrupt your discussion with Marcus. I had been considering the fact that emptiness was both dependent arising and unconditional, and that emptiness is, well, empty, when your post arrived. Because I felt submerged in ambiguity, that paragraph in your post struck me as humorous. But as Ian has stated many times, humor doesn't always translate very well into this forum. Since you've responded, maybe you would see if I have translated your two definitions of metaphysics properly. M1 is the application of a metaphysical framework to experience in general. M2 is discovering underlying metaphysical "truths" by investigating particulars experience. If I am wrong, maybe you can correct the misunderstanding.
Marsha At 08:14 PM 3/29/2008, you wrote: >Oh, don't get me wrong, Marsha. You're absolutely right that >"ambiguity is hot"--that's half the fun of Elizabethan sonnets. My >problem, if I have one, is that, it's not that some philosophers act >more like poets, but that some would like to claim the virtues of >philosophy _and_ poetry without any of the vices of either. If >Pirsig is the cosmological poet we think he is, then people have to >own up a little more readily than I've seen them occasionally >capable to the fact that studied ambiguity opens vistas of thought, >but sacrifices to those vistas clarity. > >You can either say big things or small things. The bigger the thing >you say, the more small things your going to crush underfoot. Some >of them you mean to, but we shouldn't be surprised if there are a >few accidents along the way. > >Or, to put it another way: you can't appreciate ambiguity and say it >isn't there at the same time. > >Or, one more way: I wouldn't have a problem if some weren't so priggish. > >Matt > > > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:02:45 -0400 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [MD] What is metaphysics to you? > > > > At 11:23 PM 3/28/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Matt: > > >I think it is one of the virtues of most of the MD interpreters of > > >Pirsig that they don't get bogged down by this and self-consciously > > >just use M1, but one of the vices is that they sometimes often turn > > >a blind eye to the ambiguity. (But, on the other hand, that's a > > >scholastic issue that one can ignore when doing philosophy.) > > > > Greetings Matt, > > > > Blind eye? As one who is addicted to enigma, I think ambiguity is hot! > > > > Marsha >_________________________________________________________________ >In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. >http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
