At 03:37 AM 3/2/2008, you wrote: > >The point is that two metaphysics (as realities) can't co-exist. Either >you are in the SOM or in the MOQ - much like the two black faces >(profiles) or the single white vase example there is no way of seeing >both simultaneously.
Greetings Bo, How do you know this??? Have you ever been outside your own 'way of seeing'? Are you and your 'way of seeing' the center of the Universe? Marsha >This rejects Magnus' point of them being siblings >- at least not in an equal sense, one is always the "big brother" laying >down the premises for the other. When in MOQ mode, the SOM >becomes a sub-set (the 4th. level) when in SOM mode, the MOQ is >just another subjective model of the objective reality "out there". The >MOQ is superior because of its "disrobing" the SOM. Before Pirsig >there were no S/O Metaphysics, metaphysics were the said subjective >theories about reality. I.e. it was a wood that no one saw because of >the trees. > >If you remember ZAMM, Phaedrus uses the "where were they?" >example at two instances, first about Newton, that his physical model >created the Gravity explanation of reality. This proves that Pirsig's >MOQ created the Quality explanation of reality. I.e. that the MOQ as a >mere theory about an ever-existing Quality is false. OK, the other >instance was to show that there were no subject/object divide before >the Greeks meaning that SOM created the premises that - till now - >has determined our way of thinking, making Magnus dead sure that >language is just a synthetic variety of reality not having the least >influence on it. Matt used an encounter with a tiger as an example that >words are ineffective, but the social level was a reality where correctly >performed rituals (including language) influenced events - included >tiger's behaviour (they did not have a biological tiger). The MOQ does >not support the said "social" view, it says that the Intellect's S/O is a >higher level, yet limits intellect's "range" by robbing it of its "M" (as it >really is) What effect this will have on things if the MOQ takes hold is >the next great question. > >But as Matt don't speak to me and Magnus surely will dive down to >some inscrutable depth this won't be answered here ;-) > >Bo > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
