> Ron:
> SA, I think you're on the money. When I was
> explaining
> My own experiences to Marsha in the "into the wild"
> Thread, I remembered that the longer I was out in
> the wild
> The more I ceased to think in what we call
> intellectual terms.
SA: These kinds of experiences are wonderful and a
fuller experience of reality for these kinds of
experiences are not dominated by intellect.
Ron:
> What exerted itself more and more was immediate
> awareness.
> Linguistic thought diminished and visual thought
> began to dominate.
> This happens when I create art and when I'm building
> or creating,
SA: Same here. What I find stops my experience of
reality can be found in cultural impediments or
intellectual logical loops that go nowhere except
privy to a select few or something. Yet, this
stopping of my experience can be by-passed by creating
my own world, via poetry, painting, drawing, writing,
meditation, walking in the woods, etc... This is what
I find important about movies, artworks, and books.
They help the experiencer to by-pass what in their
everyday experience might be socially or
intellectually dominated by others. The freedom in
clearing ones own path is available, but difficult for
the 9-5 job for other people and their needs is one in
particular dominant feature in our lives today. We
are still able to live out our experience amidst these
impedes and stoppages to our experience (which these
stoppages and impedes, I think, are why people find a
need to rebel, especially the 'twentysomething' crowd
and these rebellious nature may continue if the
impediments continue with no solution - thus crime
erupts, depression, alcoholism, etc...) via these
creative acts, but I for one want to expand this
creativity into my lifestyle, but I need more space.
Ron:
> I visualize mentally when "thinking" this is symbol
> manipulation
> But manipulation in constructive terms, literally.
> I think s/o is a linguistically emergent phenomena,
> once we begin
> To define references for purposes of understandable
> communication
> And generate rules that govern their use "me Tarzan,
> you Jane"
> Seeing and understanding the world in those terms
> generates and
> Evolves naturally into intellectual common sense.
> What I am trying
> To express to Bo is this very point, that different
> grammatical
> Context emotes different systems of thought.
SA: I really believe, as with Ham, that Bo has too
much invested and thus, too much at stake with his SOL
to let it go now. That would be like him letting go
of his very life.
Ron:
> When Bo says:
> To repeat: In a metaphysics that rejects the
> subject/object distinction
> (and all its derivative) "mind" can't survive, nor
> can "consciousness"
SA: Life isn't always about "me Tarzan, you Jane".
that me, that not me, that it, that not it, that's
redundant and old. I agree Ron.
Ron:
> Clearly Bo's interpretation, as it stands now, is in
> direct conflict
> With Pirsigs MoQ. It leaves little to
> interpretation. Bo's SOL
> Is obviously based on Bo's MoQ. Which consists of a
> selective cherry picking Of Pirsigs work.
SA: Exactly... "selective cherry picking of Pirsig's
work". As I've mentioned, Bo only agrees with Chapter
One of ZMM and then interprets the rest of the books
from Chapter One perspective only. Notice Bo is now
saying Christoffer doesn't know what he's talking
about either now.
Ron:
> But.... If he were to concede to Pirsig and revise
his
> understanding, his
> SOL would still have explanation power and would be
> a integral part Of implementing MoQ.
SA: S/O has room, as an analogy.
Ron:
> Bringing it from a zen mode of experience
> To a Pragmatic one of use.
SA: Yes. These are ways to live.
SA
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