DM, SA, no time for a complete response at the mo, but ... I can see a narrow view of "nature" as what exists in nature, might exclude futures, but I can't imaging anyone really holding such a view .... which is why I said it seemed to be some extreme caricature of naturalism that was being discussed.
Time (and causation), we keep noting is pretty weird, but we need a "natural" view of it - that covers pasts and futures. A naturalism without it would be incomplete, no ? The possible and the conveivable are also much more closely linked than I had previously thought - I need to dig out some (David Deutsch / David Chalmers) references to that idea. Regards Ian On 3/30/08, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > DM: > > Yes, but what of the significance of that which does > > not occur... > > SA: I don't know. Maybe low, maybe high - quality, > we'll see. > > > DM: > > ...without which we, if nothing else, could not > think? > > SA: ok. > > DM: > > What about the significance of that which has yet to > > occur > > SA: maybe... what about 'it'? > > DM: > > or that which has occurred (the past) but is no > longer > > in the present... > > SA: what about "that"? > > > DM: > > and has to be imagined to be part of our narratives > > and self understanding. > > SA: ok... > > > DM: > > Try reading this: > > > > http://www.wagner.edu/departments/psychology/filestore2/download/102/Martin%20HeideggerWHAT_IS_METAPHYSICS.pdf > > SA: maybe. I'll take a peak at it. > > DM: > > I wish to be able to think out of this box, why do > > you want to confine yourself to it? > > SA: What box? Is something stopping you? > > > DM: > > Of course, you may not wish to have a past or a > > future to give meaning to your life? > > SA: I don't know. > > > some wind, > SA > > > > DM previously: > > >> Also, how can naturalism handle the concept of > > 'the possible'? > > >> The possible has not yet appeared in nature. > > > > > > SA previously: Easy. Where else is the possible > going to > > occur? > > > > > > > > > SA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: > > Blockbuster Total Access for one > > > month at no cost. > > > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! > users and friends. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
