Hi Ian This would be to suggest that scientism, standard empiricism and the two cultures are behind us, surely not?
Taylor is a great historian of ideas, if you want to see how religion, poetry, the novel, politics, philosophy, the Enlightenment and Romanticism, etc create modernity and its naturalist novelties his Sources of the Self and Secular Age tell this story better than any other version I know, they cannot be reduced to simple proposals. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secular-Age-C-Taylor/dp/0674026764/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207409547&sr=1-1 David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Charles Taylor > DM, SA, no time for a complete response at the mo, but ... > > I can see a narrow view of "nature" as what exists in nature, might > exclude futures, but I can't imaging anyone really holding such a view > .... which is why I said it seemed to be some extreme caricature of > naturalism that was being discussed. > > Time (and causation), we keep noting is pretty weird, but we need a > "natural" view of it - that covers pasts and futures. A naturalism > without it would be incomplete, no ? > > The possible and the conveivable are also much more closely linked > than I had previously thought - I need to dig out some (David Deutsch > / David Chalmers) references to that idea. > > Regards > Ian > > On 3/30/08, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> DM: >> > Yes, but what of the significance of that which does >> > not occur... >> >> SA: I don't know. Maybe low, maybe high - quality, >> we'll see. >> >> >> DM: >> > ...without which we, if nothing else, could not >> think? >> >> SA: ok. >> >> DM: >> > What about the significance of that which has yet to >> > occur >> >> SA: maybe... what about 'it'? >> >> DM: >> > or that which has occurred (the past) but is no >> longer >> > in the present... >> >> SA: what about "that"? >> >> >> DM: >> > and has to be imagined to be part of our narratives >> > and self understanding. >> >> SA: ok... >> >> >> DM: >> > Try reading this: >> >> > >> http://www.wagner.edu/departments/psychology/filestore2/download/102/Martin%20HeideggerWHAT_IS_METAPHYSICS.pdf >> >> SA: maybe. I'll take a peak at it. >> >> DM: >> > I wish to be able to think out of this box, why do >> > you want to confine yourself to it? >> >> SA: What box? Is something stopping you? >> >> >> DM: >> > Of course, you may not wish to have a past or a >> > future to give meaning to your life? >> >> SA: I don't know. >> >> >> some wind, >> SA >> >> > > DM previously: >> > >> Also, how can naturalism handle the concept of >> > 'the possible'? >> > >> The possible has not yet appeared in nature. >> >> >> >> > > SA previously: Easy. Where else is the possible >> going to >> > occur? >> > > >> > > >> > > SA >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> > > Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: >> > Blockbuster Total Access for one >> > > month at no cost. >> > > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > > >> > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > > Archives: >> > > >> > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > >> > >> > >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for >> Yahoo! users and friends. >> http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
