Hi Chris On 1 April you made an april joke by totally scrambling my remark to Dan's.
> ---------- Ah, and another thing - anything that isn't clearly originated > from the social, biological or inorganic level must be of the intellectual > level, right? So, if a thought arises, and it in no way is an expression > for social or biological values, musn't it be intellectual? I know, it > sounds overly-simplistic, and I'm counting on you to problematize it, but, > well. enough for now. I'm not sure I get your meaning here, but from the MOQ's meta- level seen there are nothing but value patterns. No disembodied thoughts as in SOM, only intellect's value of the "thoughts as different from the external world" distinction. So my glib agreement is, yes, any pattern not biological or social must be intellectual, but the implications of this eludes me. Perhaps you mean how an intellectual S/O pattern could spawn the MOQ's DQ/SQ "pattern"? Maybe I answer to a question never aslked, but listen: You sit in front of your desktop and feel thoughts whirr around in your mind. Then Bodvar writes "..in the MOQ there are no thoughts" and you rightfully wonder, but it only means that regarding this internal activity as "thoughts in a mind" is the 4th. level's value! There were an age (social) that regarded it totally differently, for example as the devil and God fighting for your attention, and before that a biological "age" without language yet with the neural ability to "think" in the sense of visualising things - to dream - I won't problematize this any further, but hope that you will see. Only this: The social and biological are not gone but ingrained parts of our Q layout and their value as good as ever. When at the biological level - in pain or lust - we don't give a damn about social and intellectual matters, we are just sensing. When at the social level we are just emotions. A terrorist is so totally focussed on the common social cause that he gladly sacrifice his life. Enough for now. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
