Hello everyone
> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:46:44 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MD] A World of Objects
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On Friday 28 March 2008 8:34 AM Dan writes to Chris:
>
> [Chris]
>
>
> [Dan]
> The electrical impulses in the brain are like the novel on the computer
> disk. No matter what scientific instruments we use to measure the impulses,
> we will never find a thought or an idea. We will never discover the beauty
> of a sunset residing in those electrical impulses.
>
> I think the MOQ would say people define ideas and thoughts according to
> culture. Ideas and thoughts do not arise from biology (elecctrical impulses
> in the brain). Thoughts (intellectual patterns of value) arise from social
> patterns of value.
>
>>
>> Well, back to work.
>
> If you love what you do you'll never work a day in your life. If you don't
> love what you're doing then why are you doing it?
>
> Hi Dan and all,
>
> [Joe]
> The eyeglasses that culture hands us are 'mechanical'. Is 'mechanical' a
> useful term for discussing cultural behavior? The nation is composed of
> individuals. Are there mechanical nations, mechanical wars, mechanical
> societies, mechanical individuals? How widespread?
[Dan]
Hi Joe, Good to hear from you! I am unsure just what you're getting at. Perhaps
you might elaborate.
>
> [Joe]
> I want to add the other quote about CULTURE: 'The CULTURE in which we live,
> hands us a set of intellectual glasses to interpret experience with, and the
> concept of the primacy of subjects and objects is built right into these
> glasses.'
[Dan]
How does this tie in with mechanical nations, mechanical wars, etc.?
>
> [Joe]
> I may be overstressing how culture is mechanical, but we are steeped in
> culture and our thought may be mechanical. Is DQ conscious and SQ
> mechanical?
[Dan]
I think it depends on how the terms are defined (or not) and in what context.
>
>
> [Joe previously 18 March to David M]
>
> IMO 'actions become unconscious'. As I read that I think mechanical. The
> MECHANICAL takes the place of the CONSCIOUS! What happens to the
> manifestation of what can only be the CONSCIOUS? Your example says a
> MECHANICAL sign. I don't think so. The MECHANICAL sign triggers a
> MECHANICAL action in the memory of a CONSCIOUS action, sleepwalking! I do
> not want to categorize DQ as conscious, and SQ as mechanical without a big
> deal in the metaphysics of evolution! Sleepwalking!
>
> [Joe]
> Am I asleep to 99.99% of my actions derived from culture? Is this what
> Persig is saying about culture?
[Dan]
We're "asleep" to social patterns of value to the extent we don't recognize
them as such... subject-object metaphysicss, for example. It's easy to fall
into the trap of seeing subjects and objects as primary but the MOQ tells us
they're not. Quality doesn't reside in the subject or the object.
>[Joe]
>Does DQ/SQ wake me up or do I have to
> further delineate a Conscious/Mechanical metaphysics for culture?
[Dan]
Knowledge sets one free, or so I've heard it said.
>[Joe]
>Does AI
> stand head and shoulders above CI conscious intelligence? Am I even capable
> of approaching CI?
[Dan]
You must be addressing this to someone else... at least I hope you are since I
have no idea what you mean.
Thank you so much for writing,
Dan
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