Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > Accepted? By whom? Surely truth isn't a matter of poll results. > > [Arlo] > In your statement, "So a new assumption changes > the form of knowledge which then becomes true > knowledge", of course "accepted by whom" is "by you". > > When you change your assumptions, if you feel the > new form of knowledge has Quality, you accept > both it and the assumptions underlying it.
Surely true knowledge is not a matter of my say so. To that you object regularly, constantly, and consistently. So what then is true knowledge? > [Arlo had quoted Pirsig] > "Our intellectual description of nature is always culturally derived". (LILA) > > [Platt] > Is that statement culturally derived? > > [Arlo] > Of course. So let's add that to the list. > > "Every form of knowledge rests on assumptions", including this statement. > "All this is just an analogy", including this sentence. > "There are no absolute truths", including this sentence. > "Our intellectual description of nature is always > culturally derived", including this statement. > > [Arlo quoted Pirsig] > "Of course it's an analogy. Everything is an > analogy. But the dialecticians don't know that. > That's why the Chairman missed that statement of > Socrates. Phædrus has caught it and remembered > it, because if Socrates hadn't stated it he > wouldn't have been telling the "Truth."" (ZMM) > > [Platt] > Doesn't explain how "everything is an analogy." > > [Arlo] > "Everything is an analogy" is the exact same > sentence as "Every form of knowledge rests on assumptions." > > You can substitute in "intellectual patterns" into both as appropriate. > > "Intellectual patterns are all analogies" and > "Every intellectual pattern rests on assumptions". > > Same thing. Intellectual patterns are analogous to what? Tea cups, computer software? > Analogies and assumptions are the social > mediation that stands, by definition, between the > intellectual level and the bio-inorganic levels. > They are the culturally-derived ways of seeing > and thinking that always mediate the forms of our > knowledge (including this sentence). Not sure what you mean by "mediate" and "mediation." > "If Descartes had said, "The seventeenth century > French culture exists, therefore I think, > therefore I am," he would have been correct." (LILA) > > If Platt had said, "The twentieth century > American culture exists, therefore I make certain > assumptions about the nature of knowledge, > therefore every form of knowledge is based on an > assumption", he would have been correct. > > Amen. Seems to me we've been here before. All you are really saying IMO is that there are always other people around, whether in Descartes' times or ours, and that other people influenced his thinking, my thinking, and your thinking. Right? ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
