Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > Surely true knowledge is not a matter of my say so. To that you > object regularly, constantly, and consistently. So what then is true > knowledge? > > [Arlo] > I'm not even sure what you mean by "true knowledge", as opposed to > "false knowledge"? > > Knowledge is what we believe. It is based on our assumptions, > assumptions that are culturally-derived. We value this knowledge > based on how well it works. When it stops working, we change our > assumptions, and our intellectual descriptions of nature change accordingly.
Who is "we?" > By "true", I take it you mean "objective". That which is not based on > assumptions. And you yourself denied this was possible. No, I don't mean objective. But, that's one assumption some people use. Assumptions from revelations may also be used to establish true knowledge. > [Platt] > Intellectual patterns are analogous to what? Tea cups, computer software? > > [Arlo] > Intellectual patterns ARE analogies. They are analogies we use to > codify our experiences. So intellectual patterns are analogous to experience? That's a weird way to think of an analogy. Not used in Lila that I can find. > [Platt] > Not sure what you mean by "mediate" and "mediation." > > [Arlo] > Means stands between, filters, organizes, shapes, highlights, > focuses, orders, blinds, colors, selects, structures, and affords the > contact between "intellect" and "bio-inorganic" patterns. That's a lot of activity for one little word. What bio-inorganic patterns are you talking about -- electrical brain waves? > "Our intellectual description of nature is always culturally derived". > > [Platt] > Seems to me we've been here before. All you are really saying IMO is > that there are always other people around, whether in Descartes' > times or ours, and that other people influenced his thinking, my > thinking, and your thinking. Right? > > [Arlo] > Nope. His thinking was made possible by his assimilation of French > culture. It doesn't "influence" his thinking, it enables it. > > "The seventeenth century French culture exists, therefore I think..." > > or drop the middle and express it as such... > > "The seventeenth century French culture exists, ... therefore I am." So I wouldn't "be" unless the 21st century American culture existed? I doubt such an assumption. But assumptions about knowledge (thinking) is one thing. There are also assumptions about what is good. I think it's impossible not to have assumptions about what is good just as all knowledge is based on assumptions. Agree? ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
