Quoting Magnus Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi Platt > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Money is simply a medium of exchange between my work and your work. Goods > and > >>> services don't fall from heaven. They require human effort. > >> Yes, but how does that prove that money is *not* the sole goal of the free > >> market? > > > > How do you prove that it is? > > That's easy. Just remove it and see what happens. (And don't do the same > mistake > > Craig did. He just replaced it with something else. You must really imagine a > world without it.)
Hi Magnus, I can imagine a free market of bartering. No practical, but free. > >>> Ah yes, the Robinson Crusoe pattern. Seems we've discussed this at length > >> before. > >>> As I remember, most agreed he wouldn't survive without having a > >>> background > >>> provided by culture, such as language (to have thoughts) and an > >>> understanding > of > >> tools. > >> > >> Mumbo jumbo if you ask me. That's not real dependency, it's just a very > >> loose > > >> connection. Real dependency is for example an animal's dependency on its > >> inorganic matter. If that matter was suddenly converted into energy, the > >> animal > > >> would die. *That's* the kind of dependency I look for between the levels. > >> If > >> it's not there, it's simply not patterns of interdependent levels. > > > > I see it as real dependency. Take away society and you get wolfboy. > > How do explain that the wolfboy "experiment" doesn't work the other way > around? > By the same reasoning, shouldn't a wolf (or each and every dog for that > matter) > go to school and get a job if it lived in a human society? I don't think wolves have the capacity to speak, a skill sort of needed to join human society. > >>>>> I'm promoting individual freedom within a social structure that keeps > >>>>> biological forces of destruction at bay. Incidentally, Pirsig reserves > >>>>> "society" as he uses the term to human society. > >>>> One of his mistakes, as I've tried to show in this thread. > >>> I demure. > >> I'm sure you do, but it's a poor substitute for a verbal argument, > >> especially > on > >> a mailing list. > > > > Not only I demure but so does Pirsig with whom I agree. Do you want to hear > his > > arguments again? > > I've already rebutted your first, but keep'em coming if you have more. And I > wouldn't really say you "agree" with Pirsig, you just agree with some of his > quotes out of context. And as I said to SA, it seems I trust my > interpretation > of the MoQ more than Pirsig does, so I'm sure I can do the same with anything > you can come up with. If you can show where I've quoted Pirsig out of context to support a mistaken interpretation of his view, please do so. Platt ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
