Quoting Magnus Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Platt
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Money is simply a medium of exchange between my work and your work. Goods 
> > and
> > services don't fall from heaven. They require human effort. 
> 
> Yes, but how does that prove that money is *not* the sole goal of the free
> market?

How do you prove that it is?

> > Ah yes, the Robinson Crusoe pattern. Seems we've discussed this at length
> before.
> > As I remember, most agreed he wouldn't survive without having a background 
> > provided by culture, such as language (to have thoughts) and an 
> > understanding of
> tools. 
> 
> Mumbo jumbo if you ask me. That's not real dependency, it's just a very loose 
> connection. Real dependency is for example an animal's dependency on its 
> inorganic matter. If that matter was suddenly converted into energy, the 
> animal 
> would die. *That's* the kind of dependency I look for between the levels. If 
> it's not there, it's simply not patterns of interdependent levels.

I see it as real dependency. Take away society and you get wolfboy.  
 
> >>> I'm promoting individual freedom within a social structure that keeps 
> >>> biological forces of destruction at bay. Incidentally, Pirsig reserves 
> >>> "society" as he uses the term to human society.
> >> One of his mistakes, as I've tried to show in this thread.
> > 
> > I demure. 
> 
> I'm sure you do, but it's a poor substitute for a verbal argument, especially 
> on
> a mailing list.

Not only I demure but so does Pirsig with whom I agree. Do you want to hear his
arguments again?



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