Quoting Magnus Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi Platt
> 
> Platt Holden wrote:
> > I demur. (I like that phrase.) The sole goal of the free market is to 
> > provide
> > goods  and services that people under conditions of free choice will find 
> > of value.
> 
> Hardly, if that was the sole goal, nobody would mind providing those goods 
> for 
> free. You're trying to rephrase it in such noble words, but the ultimate goal 
> of
> providing those goods and services is to charge money for them.

Money is simply a medium of exchange between my work and your work. Goods and
services don't fall from heaven. They require human effort. 

> > A society will always occur even if no larger than a family. Further, a 
> > human society is needed to prevent biological forces from destroying the 
> > fabric of human survival. 
> 
> I would actually not say it's required. I bet there are quite a number of 
> people
> living completely alone in the wilderness all over the globe. They don't die 
> just because they're separated from society, they can still think 
> intellectual 
> thoughts, etc.

Ah yes, the Robinson Crusoe pattern. Seems we've discussed this at length 
before.
As I remember, most agreed he wouldn't survive without having a background 
provided by culture, such as language (to have thoughts) and an understanding 
of tools. 

> > I'm promoting individual freedom within a social structure that keeps 
> > biological forces of destruction at bay. Incidentally, Pirsig reserves 
> > "society" as he uses the term to human society.
> 
> One of his mistakes, as I've tried to show in this thread.

I demure. 

Platt




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