On Sunday 11 May 2008 2:35 AM Bo writes to Joe: <snip>
> DQ is undefined and SQ is defined reality. Yes, that's just it and I would have stopped there. > Put that statement into history. DQ in metaphysics is the Conscious > only experience of an individual. [Bo] When you equalize DQ with "Conscious Only" Consciousness is reality's ground and a Metaphysics of Consciousness emerges. Still I'm not totally against it, to me it's the Dynamic/Static distinction that counts as different from the Subject/Object one. > It differs from the subjective > experience of SOM, which proposes an abstracted essence given > intentional existence in a mind. <snip> Hi Bo and all, [Joe] In the history of thought a theory of knowledge precedes metaphysics. Plato proposed a world of ideas as the source of knowledge. Aristotle proposed abstraction as the way we know things. Revelation! Myths! Stories! Heroes! [Joe] As a science psychology is mechanistic, and there is no sense of a difference in how we know things, other than typing on the keys of my computer, and how big my computer is! Mystics, however, are in a different category. [Joe] How can I communicate the undefined? What key shall I press? I accept Pirsig¹s insight that there is a part of my reality that is undefined. But how can I talk about it using defined words? ³Consciousness is realities ground², if we are going to communicate with each other. Consciousness is defined and undefined! ³Culture hands us a set of glasses!² The debate is whether I know and can talk about the undefined. Metaphor, analogy, and gesture are ways of talkingcommunicating the undefined. Experience is not undefined. I know what I am talking about? Yeah! Well you are wrong, and I have a bigger gun that says so. So much for epistemology these days! [Joe] Abstraction is the theory of knowledge proposed by Aristotle, which was accepted as the explanation for how we know reality, SOM. Joe On 5/11/08 2:35 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DQ is undefined and SQ is defined reality. > > Yes, that's just it and I would have stopped there. > >> Put that statement into history. DQ in metaphysics is the Conscious >> only experience of an individual. > > When you equalize DQ with "Conscious Only" Consciousness is > reality's ground and a Metaphysics of Consciousness emerges. Still > I'm not totally against it, to me it's the Dynamic/Static distinction that > counts as different from the Subject/Object one. > >> It differs from the subjective >> experience of SOM, which proposes an abstracted essence given >> intentional existence in a mind. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
