No Krim, it may mean you miss my point ... I understand and share your common sense "engineered" view of artificiality - I just don't think AI will be humanly engineered (like the other nasties you mention). Human's may engineer ever more sophisticated systems - they may even think they are engineering towards AI - but "Intelligence" will only arise from this when "Life" first arises from it. Life and intelligence will evolve naturally over and above any substrate systems we humans engineer - the artificiality will only be an expression of the fact that it is not the carbon-bio-brain baed kind of living intelligence we have exprieneced so far. It will be more like husbandry and farming than engineering, but the livestock will be non-biolgical - we'll keep the "server farms" well tended, and if we're lucky, life and ultimately intelligence will "arise". (I hasten to say this is just my speculative feeling based on what I see happening.)
However in some senses, current natural intelligence is no more or less artificial - the intelligence is not inherent in the biological engineering either - it arises naturally above it - my other point (earlier) was that the artificiality was in the perspective of how the engineering arises. Atomic weapons are "artificial" in the common sense you use - clearly - but if they were alive and intellient ... that would be a different matter. Engineering is a metaphor in evolution, but there is no engineer involved. Biological genes may "engineer" brains, but they do not engineer intelligence - they engineer biological pattersns more or less capable of supporting intelligence. (I repeat my caveat, naturally.) Paradoxically - AI will never be engineered, but engineers aiming to create it "may" provide the conditions under which it (and life first) arise naturally. Ian On 5/29/08, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Ian] > I say - many a true word. > My point when "AI" arrives it will be "natural" > > [Krimel] > I think this really trivializes the term "natural" to the point of > absurdity. Under this kind of conception of "natural" atomic weapons and > automobiles are "natural". "Artificial" refers to engineered or inorganic > intelligence. > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
