[Ian] No Krim, it may mean you miss my point ... I understand and share your common sense "engineered" view of artificiality - I just don't think AI will be humanly engineered (like the other nasties you mention). Human's may engineer ever more sophisticated systems - they may even think they are engineering towards AI - but "Intelligence" will only arise from this when "Life" first arises from it. Life and intelligence will evolve naturally over and above any substrate systems we humans engineer - the artificiality will only be an expression of the fact that it is not the carbon-bio-brain baed kind of living intelligence we have exprieneced so far. It will be more like husbandry and farming than engineering, but the livestock will be non-biolgical - we'll keep the "server farms" well tended, and if we're lucky, life and ultimately intelligence will "arise". (I hasten to say this is just my speculative feeling based on what I see happening.)
However in some senses, current natural intelligence is no more or less artificial - the intelligence is not inherent in the biological engineering either - it arises naturally above it - my other point (earlier) was that the artificiality was in the perspective of how the engineering arises. Atomic weapons are "artificial" in the common sense you use - clearly - but if they were alive and intellient ... that would be a different matter. Engineering is a metaphor in evolution, but there is no engineer involved. Biological genes may "engineer" brains, but they do not engineer intelligence - they engineer biological pattersns more or less capable of supporting intelligence. (I repeat my caveat, naturally.) Paradoxically - AI will never be engineered, but engineers aiming to create it "may" provide the conditions under which it (and life first) arise naturally. [Krimel] You are right I must be missing your point. If you are saying that "life" or "intelligence" can arise "naturally" out of printed circuits then I don't think we are even using the same language. When you say intelligence is not inherent in biological systems or that genes produce brains but not intelligence this just seems to be adding subtlety at the expense of intelligibility. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
