[Arlo] When did you experience "death" to know that it would not be "better"?
[Platt] Many times. Very low quality. In your experience has death been otherwise? [Arlo] I've never experienced death. Near-death once. It seemed warm and well-lit. I have experienced losing someone I love. And that is low quality I agree. But it does not show that "life is better than death", it shows that me personally I miss people that leave. "Staying is better than leaving", which applies to loved ones departing for a plethora of reasons, not just death. [Platt] It means how do you know to ask a question. [Arlo] I asked because whether life is better than death is something we can never "know". We can believe it. And it sucks when other people die, but whether or not they are better off or worse off (or just plain "off") is something we won't know til we have first hand experience of it. [Arlo] Language is the use of analogy to describe pre-intellectual experience. "If it had a nervous system it would act in a much more complex way to overcome the poor quality of the environment. It would seek analogues, that is, images and symbols from its previous experience, to define the unpleasant nature of its new environment and thus 'understand' it." (ZMM) [Platt] "When A. N. Whitehead wrote that "mankind is driven forward by dim apprehensions of things too obscure for its existing language," he was writing about Dynamic Quality. Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of realty, the source of all things, completely simple and always new." (Lila, 9) Pre-intellectual experience is too obscure for language, i.e., analogy. [Arlo] But as soon as you say it, analogy. But I am not sure what your point is here, as the Pirsig quote you've provided supports the one I had offered. Are you using Pirsig to disprove Pirsig, or agreeing with me? If you think it disproves the former, please explain how. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
