Micah, I agree, I think that quote is with you too. concepts are not things in the objective sense, but in the MoQ sense they exist as intellectual patterns of experience.
I agree with you Micah, It was my way of saying that you made a good point. how are things? been awhile since we heard from you. -Ron -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micah Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] Chance I disagree, concepts are not "things". "Nothing" is a concept that does not exist nor refers to anything in reality, whereas "something" is a concept referring things or objects in reality. Vocabulary aside, nothing is a working concept that has never existed in reality. Micah -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Kulp Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] Chance micah: Sorry to butt in... Something comes from something, and nothing comes from nothing. Something is and nothing is assumed. Which is to say, why the assumption of nothing when all there is, is something? Where is the evidence of nothing? Has nothing ever existed, and why even make that assumption when all existence is something? So the belief that something comes from nothing is based on the false premise that nothing existed. Ron: Grammatically, the word "nothing" is an indefinite pronoun, which means that it refers to something. This can lead to confusion, "Nothing" is a concept, concepts are things, so the concept of "Nothing" is a thing. This fallacy is neatly demonstrated by the old joke, if nothing is worse than the Devil, and nothing is greater than God, then the Devil must be greater than God: Modern logic made it possible to articulate these points coherently as intended, and many philosophers hold that the word "nothing" does not function as a noun: there is not any object it refers to. There are still various opposing views, though: that, for example, our understanding of the world rests essentially on noticing absences and lacks as well as presences, and that "nothing" and related words serve to indicate these. -wiki Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
