dmb: And just for the record, I do have something in my pocket. I can't say what's in there, of course, without bringing up a whole lot of complicated theological questions. And telling you which pocket holds the item (or items) would entail some radical metaphysical speculations, naturally. But I can tell you that I'm gonna smoke some of it, thereby converting it into a sort of nothingness.
Ron: If it's the kinda smoke I think you mean, then that nothingness becomes the experience. The no-thing of no-mind. I can draw and paint for hours in that nothingness. Personally, when I'm in no-mind, all my senses are open equally, that's when DQ is realized more fully for me, not isolated in a vat receiving DQ like it's extra sensory but when all my senses are in concert I can experience Quality more clearly, noticing that the Buda is just as comfortable in a a pile of garbage, a lotus blossom or within the gears of a motorcycle engine, therefore "maximizing DQ" is actually maximizing your awareness of experience . Treating the term DQ like Nothingness, as a concrete noun, creates a similar conceptual situation as "Nothing" does. DQ is not an entity but using it as a concrete noun leaves the illusion that it is "something" when it is no-thing in particular this is why Pirsig warns us not to conceptualize it in this way and the bibles of the world warn us not to create any graven image or define it's name. It creates a concrete referent for an abstract concept of "no-thing" Then people start to argue, war, and philosophize about the nature of this abstract concept as if it exists as a particular concrete entity. DQ/SQ are abstract descriptors of experience. They are not to be used as concrete particulars in and of themselves. This is the MoQ ontological statement that needs to made more clear. _________________________________________________________________ The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the i'm Talkathon. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_SeasonOfGiving Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
