----- Original Message -----
From: "Ham Priday" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] moq thought experiment 1.
Hey, Gav (Marsha mentioned) --
[Ham said]:
In my philosophy the Value of Essence is primary to existence
and is converted to physical phenomena by experience.
[Gav asks]:
Do you mean antecedent by 'primary', ie value is before existence?
Inasmuch as Value is a perceived attribute of Essence, it is 'a priori' to
existence. It is, in fact, the only aspect of Essence that we directly
sense.
But your question is discerning, since it is the self which makes value
aware as being in experience. I view existence as the experiential
construct of value, and it was in that sense that I referred to Value as
primary to existence.
I'm surprised that you didn't challenge me on this point. (Perhaps that
will come later.)
I would also be interested in what you make of this exchange with Marsha:
[Ham]:
The notion of thoughts existing somewhere without a thinker
is absurd; yet if you take the MoQ and its Intellectual level
literally (as I do), it seems to lead to that conclusion.
[Marsha]:
Literally? Meaning what? The MoQ is an analogy.
Exactly how much of a metaphysics of quality should be regarded as
"analogy"?
I don't present my Creation hypothesis as an analogy, nor do I expect
others to consider Essence an analogy. All metaphysics is theoretical, of
course, because
proof for the postulates isn't accessible. Metaphor and analogy are often
used to help clarify the concepts presented. "Thought experiments", for
example, are just that -- experiments to stimulate thought. But it
disturbs me when a reputable philosopher articulates his theory is such a
way that readers can't separate the metaphor and analogy from the
fundamentals.
Marsha's assertion (she's made it before) seems to indicate that Pirsig's
philosophy isn't to be taken seriously. It brings to mind the anguish I
feel on realizing I've been hoodwinked by a politician's hollow promises.
What do you think?
Regards,
Ham
Ham: "Marsha's assertion (she's made it before) seems to indicate that
Pirsig's philosophy isn't to be taken seriously." WHAT!!!
Ridiculous!!!!! I'd stay away from toads for a few days. - I won't say
anything else, I do not want to influence Gav's comments.
Marsha
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