Dear Marsha --

Show me an autonomous self.  What exactly is it?

I asked you for a definition an autonomous self?   You answered
with a number of static patterns of value, analogies.  I think you
prove my point that self is a collection of interrelated, ever-changing,
static patterns of inorganic, biological, social and intellectual values,
and not autonomous at all.

   Autonomy is "the quality or state of being self-governing".
   --Webster' New Collegiate Dictionary

The autonomous self is therefore one who is his/her own authority, whose actions express his/her proprietary values, as opposed to the conventions of a society, and whose beliefs are not an accommodation to external agencies.

How is an autonomous self more than thoughts in your mind?

Defining the self (psyche) in terms of its relational experience is like defining a motorcycle in terms of its road history. The result is an analogy instead of a proper definition.

Self (i.e., "selfness" or self-awareness) is the singular locus of one's conscious being, or what we call the individual's unique subjective identity. Value-sensibility is the essence of experience. But an individual person is a dichotomy of Beingness and Awareness. So the fragmentation or differentiation of proprietary awareness into discrete categories, such as specific feelings, desires, thoughts, objects and events, is a function of the intellect working in conjunction with its neuro-sensory contingency. That's how the experiential self actualizes a relational world from value.

Have I answered your questions definitively enough, Marsha? If not, keep trying.

Best regards,
Ham

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